Yes the view was great.....especially in the lobby of 124 it was magical. However there was little time to enjoy it when you are working in a slave labor camp making only .73 cents a day.
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Were the bethelites disappointed when they moved out of Brooklyn?
by GabeAthouse inanyone know of anyone who was serving at the time of the move?
i know a few former jw's who were at brooklyn who have told me that the actual bethel experience was kind of a drag but it was kinda cool to experience living in nyc for a couple of years.
i visited a relative who was serving, years ago and went into the apartment he shared.
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Randall Watters our old friend
by new boy indoes anyone here know his where about or have any updates on him?
he hasn't been active his face book in over a year.
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Does anyone here know his where about or have any updates on him? He hasn't been active his face book in over a year.
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Memory Lane and Brooklyn Bethel
by new boy ini spent monday walking down memory lane.
i went to the old brooklyn bethel.
the old towers hotel, were i roomed for 3 years is now a care facility for old folks.
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I Spent Monday walking down memory lane. I went to the old Brooklyn Bethel. The old Towers Hotel, were I roomed for 3 years is now a care facility for old folks. The cost per month is $6,000 to $25,000 pp. I couldn't get into the 129 119 or 107 buildings they are condos and apartments now. They were gutting the old 124 building and will soon be condos going for millions of dollars each. The old cornerstone that Russel put in place to mark the spot of the headquarters got jack hammered out and a new piece of granite was put in its place.....with no writing on it, So if you didn't know it no one would have a clue these buildings were once owned by the Watchtower Bible and Truck society. All things change and pass....My old pizza place is still there. If you you were lucky and had any thing left from your 22 dollars a month they gave you...you could buy a slice for .75 cents. They were closed on Mondays. So no pizza for me. I also went to the old factory at 117 Adams St. It's all office buildings owned by Esty. Security guards said no visitors. Of course I couldn't get in there either. I had an Asian rice bowl in what used to be building 1 by the old garage. Then I walked over to Building four (55 prospect St.) to the spot where James Olson hit the ground after jumping to his death. Guess what? There was no plaque to mark the spot. James and the Jehovah's Witnesses do have one thing in common they are dead or soon will be....as will be the thousands of young men who served there. No "last days or Paradise" for them. -
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Wow! 2700 plus topic about our friend Lloyd Evens
by new boy inwell, i haven't been here in about 5 months.
ever since my ex-pioneer partner and bethel roommate roy baty died.
looks like i've have missed out on some fun.
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Well, I haven't been here in about 5 months. Ever since my ex-pioneer partner and Bethel roommate Roy Baty died.
Looks like I've have missed out on some fun. I'm afraid I haven't read all 2700 post about Lloyd but I think got the jest of what is going on.
All I know is I heard The Watchtower Bible and Truck Society gave Lloyd some serious money and an all expense paid trip to Thailand just to shut him up.....not really I guess he did it for free.
Not that it matters but I never really like him for a couple of reasons.
1. The title of his book is a lie. "The reluctant Apostate" He loves his activism, since this is his only source of income. In fact if something ever did happened to his chief adversary he would be screwed. He would have to go out and get a real job.
2. If he really wanted to help people with their perception of the WBT society he would care about what people thought about him personally and his physical presentation. He looks like someone who just spent the night under a bridge. He might has well put tattoos on his face. He looks like someone who doesn't give a shit. And what is with all this stupid "Star Wars" stuff he decorates his office with? He comes off as someone who is mentally about 15 years old.
3 If you want to talk the talk you better walk the walk. If you want to attack a hypocritical religion. Then you have no choice but to be squeaky clean yourself. As we know, just like the egomaniac leaders of the religion he is attacking its easy to start buying into your own bull shit...."that's the ticket"
Which brings us to number 4.
He even looks like Judge Rutherford,
5. So just like all false religions the end never will justify the means.
Rest in peace Lloyd you played right into theirs hands of the Society's perceptions of what they want their followers to believe what apostates look and act like.
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Something Eerily Familiar about "The Village" Movie.
by Sea Breeze ineven after 17 years i still haven't forgot "the village".
maybe it was because i had just left the wt.
did anyone else feel like you especially identified with this movie as a witness/ex-witness?
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I love Simon's statement, "You get this sense that things aren't right, everything isn't as it seems, but you don't quite know how."
What better way to describe trying to choke down their so called spiritual food with a thinking mind where all the pieces don't quite fit together and in the end their only fall back to the insanity they are pushing is "well....you just have to trust in Jehovah".
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Roy Baty my Bethel Roommate and Pioneer Partner
by new boy inroy baty died three days ago.
i had a strange connection to roy.
i pioneered with him in kansas and he was one of my bethel roommates.
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"Bad Boy" sounds like a "Judgement" to me
First off I love love everyone and I mean everyone (except maybe you lol). So my statement about Roy being a "stupid mindless follower/victim" was not a judgment....just a statement of fact.
By the way just because someone is "happy" in their course of action or in their "choices" doesn't make their conduct beneficial for themselves or the people they effect.
It must be nice to be able to condense life down to just 3 simple choices.
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Roy Baty my Bethel Roommate and Pioneer Partner
by new boy inroy baty died three days ago.
i had a strange connection to roy.
i pioneered with him in kansas and he was one of my bethel roommates.
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Roy Baty died three days ago. I had a strange connection to Roy. I pioneered with him in Kansas and he was one of my Bethel roommates. I mention him a lot in my book "New Boy" a book that of course he would never read. He was one of those guys that needed to be right all the time and loved being an elder. We had very similar back rounds, we were both "born in" and raised in southern California to domineering Mothers and pussy wiped Fathers. Both our parents were MIA, Roy was a male chauvinist and made sure everyone knew he was "the head" of the house. He stop talking to me when I left the cult 20 years ago. He said "I had burned that bridge" I certainly hope so, because it was people like him is why I left. They talked of love "among themselves" but its not there and never was. Like many people of of my generation their children are much smarter than us so many have left the cult too, Roy's daughter Leah, was one of those children. So, of course he stopped talking to her and never even saw his own grand children. Like me, Leah never got the phone call when her Father died. No last words and no good byes....no I love you. So, I did what Roy should have done and called Leach and told her I would say the words her father needed to tell her. "I Love you, I miss you, I was stupid I was brain washed.....please forgive me!" Roy Baty just one more stupid mindless follower/victim of the cult known as the Jehovah's Witnesses. A religion that is willing to sacrifice their own children for a religion or a cruel god. He was waiting for "the end" to come. Well it did for him.
As Bill Murry said in the movie "The Razor's Edge".........."He will not be missed"
Keith Casarona
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My 20 year anniversary
by new boy inafter being a jehovah's witness for 52 years, today marks my 20 year anniversary of being out of the borg!
i turned in my letter of disassociation on september 18th 2001. it was read to the congregation on september 19th, my wife's birthday.
of course the years have had its difficulties but it has also had many wonderful experiences and epiphanies.
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Thank you Simon for everything you have done for me and helping so many people here on this site.
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My 20 year anniversary
by new boy inafter being a jehovah's witness for 52 years, today marks my 20 year anniversary of being out of the borg!
i turned in my letter of disassociation on september 18th 2001. it was read to the congregation on september 19th, my wife's birthday.
of course the years have had its difficulties but it has also had many wonderful experiences and epiphanies.
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After being a Jehovah's Witness for 52 years, today marks my 20 year anniversary of being out of the Borg! I turned in my letter of disassociation on September 18th 2001. It was read to the congregation on September 19th, my wife's birthday. Of course the years have had its difficulties but it has also had many wonderful experiences and epiphanies. However not once have I looked back with any regret of the decision to leave that caustic and harmful organization.
Enjoy the wonderful journey that is your life my friends!
New boy
Keith Casarona
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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthe fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.
watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!
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Yes you are right. Even if the wheels fell off tomorrow, it would take another 100 years to get this cancer fully removed from our society!